By Sant Kirpal Singh, Mexico-City, 11 December, 1972

Commentator: Master, we would like to ask You if You are in accordance with the opinion of Pope Paul?

Sant Kirpal Singh: What is his opinion?

Commentator: That the devil is the cause of all the ills and badness in the world.

Sant Kirpal Singh: The truth remains that God made the universe. There are two aspects: one is going into expression, the other is receding back. The word ‘Brahm’ is used to mean the power going into expression, which is the cause of all expression in the universe. This is called negative. The other power is positive, which brings back souls to God.
The power going into expression is called by some as Satan or devil. It is called by the Rishis as ‘Brahm’. These are two powers made by God just as electricity somewhere burns fire and somewhere congeals water into ice. The power is the same, but it has two expressions: one going into expression, the other receding back. Had there been no power going into expression called Brahm, there would have been no world whatsoever. That Brahm has the law, “As you sow, so shall you reap.” That Brahm power is very just. Naturally the incarnations of Brahm, when they come into the world, their job is just to punish the wicked, uphold the righteous, and set the world going. This matter is very intricate, I tell you. Further, I will just give an example: The king is the appointing authority of the commander-in-chief; he is also the appointing authority of the viceroy. The two work for the sake of the king; it is the king who has given them power. But their work is different. When a city is in trouble, the civil officers hand it over to the military. What do they do? They punish the wicked, fire and kill some, save hundreds of the righteous. When it is in order, they hand it back to the civil.

(The television commentator tries to move on to the next question)

Sant Kirpal Singh: This is not the end-all. There are some things further to be explained, a few words more, if you want full; if you want half reply, it is up to you. This will go to the world population, you see. Now we are responsible.

The commander-in-chief knows fully well that he has been given power by the king: he destroys, he kills, etc. But he never says, “I convey you the orders of the king”. It is the incarnations of the positive power who say like that; they are the Saints. Those who come like the commander-in-chief, they say, “I order – fire!” Different expressions – although both at heart know that they have got this power from God.

And this is done only to have the ‘Word’ into expression – otherwise there would have been no world.

Our own actions and reactions bring on these things, all the troubles, killings, this and that. The incarnations of the positive power or Saints look after the souls to go back to God.
The world does not end. It goes on changing, from Kali Yuga, the Iron Age to Golden Age. Negative power goes on punishing to set the world right and let it go on – not to depopulate, but to get it to continue, to go on. And the positive power works – takes our soul back to God. Mind is the negative power working within each man. Its work is always to keep you away from God – to keep you away in the world. So naturally punishment is there; killing is there; wars are there; all these things; sometimes plagues are there. These are functions of theirs (negative powers) first. Yet righteous people will also come up now – the Golden Age arises from the Iron Age – that won’t fall down from heaven all at once. So awakening is there, in the East and West both. People have thought that they are fed up with all these things, they want a way out – the other way (of the positive power) is what is wanted. Negative power does not spare even its incarnations. They also punish the negative. I will give you an example: Rama killed the brother of Brahma. Then Rama came in the incarnation of Lord Krishna. That brother who was killed came as dacoit in the wilderness and there he killed him (Krishna). He came to Krishna and said, “Well, I have done wrong”. And Krishna said: “No, no, I killed you (before)”. This power does not spare even the incarnations, you see. So the day of judgement is individual and also as a whole – as a class…

Commentator: What is the meaning of ‘Science of the Soul?’

Sant Kirpal Singh: The Science of the Soul is God’s work. We are souls under the control of the negative power. So incarnations of the positive power come to save and bring them back to God. The other day in my talk I said that there should be no revolution of the body – not the body, but of the evil propensities of the mind – that which takes man away from God. There should be a spiritual revolution, and that is going on. I replied to this question in my talk the day before yesterday: everybody is now getting such an experience openly, to save – at large.

Awakening is going on all around, in the East and West. That means the Golden Age is arising from the Iron Age, and the Science of the Soul is for that.

It is a probation, you see. I told you in my talk the other day that a spiritual revolution is going on now. The righteous will find that this is not the revolution of the body, but of the evil propensities of the mind. Mind is the slave of the negative power. Had there been no negative power, there would have been no world whatsoever.